Bye feminist_rage, bye feminist, I won't miss either of you

[beandelphiki]

This is as quick as I can make it, and I won't be dealing with anything else for a while. I apologize for not getting back to things. I will soon, I promise.

I just left feminist AND feminist_rage. I'd been thinking very seriously for the past day or so of leaving feminist, because I was sick of shit in there. I was pissed about the idea of having to deal with delphyne_ again, or even see her username somewhere I or my friends didn't type it. I was upset that several people I think are great, and contribute a lot were leaving, one after the other. Can you sense the Winds of Change? Yeah. What was I getting out of there, anyway? Could I seriously say I learned much? The time at which I could have learned a lot from feminist, I was learning the same things, BETTER (I think), somewhere else. So I figured...maybe I'd leave. But I didn't want to give up.

I just never thought I'd leave feminist_rage FIRST. Not in a million years.

So what the hell happened? I can't say that much (even having left, I don't really want to spill the beans), but the upshot is that there was a banning over a LEAKED POST OMG that dysgr8mystake made to anti_feminism from feminist_rage. Except that she didn't actually leak the post, and she didn't actually leak real replies to the post. She repeated an exchange she'd had with one member and a mod over whether or not feminist_snark was on par with anti_feminism. Personally, I don't quite think so, but she had a point.

She received a mod note that told her to "shut her face" because she doesn't actually know what goes down in feminist_snark. She took it to anti_fem. And she was banned.

And not only was she banned, the same mod oh-so-kindly emailed her to say that she was "concerned" about the "trolls" dysgr8mystake has in her journal - which includes me, apparently, since I left one slightly testy comment asking dysgr8mystake to drop some old drama. (We're really not friends, so it's ironic that this is all over HER.) Then replied to ME in feminist_rage essentially telling me that she doesn't appreciate people acting like "hyenas" in the journals of anti-fem members.

Over something that had nothing to do with her, or her goddamn community.

Last. fucking. straw.

So I just spent several hours saving things. Lots and lots and lots of screencaps, damn. (And no, those aren't for drama purposes, I just want to keep stuff.) There's information in both feminist and feminist_rage that I will never have access to again, but you know what? Information can be replaced.

(LULZ can't. Hence screencaps.)

I saved all the drama I've been in, and all the drama my friends have been in, and I also saved the Chreebomb thing because, why not? And what I realized as I did so was that I've only ever gotten DRAMA and ANNOYANCE out of both those communities, pretty much. As a last gesture in feminist, I read the last thing delphyne_ said to me there (which I had refused to open in my inbox before), and it was just pointless crap. Why was I ever there? (Well, a mod added me, I didn't apply. But that's not what I mean.)

I remember a while back (which I forgot to save, so lost forever) there was a locked post in fem_rage where there was a fantastic discussion of classism. That's my best memory there, and I'd never find it again anyway. And feminist? The best moment was when I convinced a girl who's close to sociology researchers to try to get them to look into doing a research project on the underdiagnosis of LDs and ADHD in kids of color. My ONE moment of maybe-impact.

And other than that...annoyance. Drama. Angst. Annoyance. Fury. Deppression. Annoyance. Disgust. Did I mention annoyance?

I'll do fine without these communities. I might look for others, but I don't need a "replacement" feminist community, because there's nothing to replace. Fuck 'em all.

For posterity, the comments I left (and yeah, this is ALL screencapped, so if anyone says I'm lying about anything, I can prove 'em wrong).]



[In response to a refusal to my request to see the screencaps of the locked post (it's a locked post in anti_feminism, which I will only remain in long enough to get/give replies on this, and then I'm gone.)

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Never mind. I found it all (mod note, ban note, the "leaked post," the whole shebang) on my own. And if you want to know why I wanted to see it, it's because her accounts of what is going on and yours seem to differ. I wanted to know what was going on. Well, I found out.

(Locked post over there or not, it's easy enough to access, for anybody who doesn't like having the facts obscured. Although I had to join anti_feminism to do it, something I swore I'd NEVER do, so I'm not thrilled about that.)

So, I'm over here shaking over what I saw over there, and in here. I did not originally intend to say anything. But having seen what I did, here it is, as briefly as I can make it:

1) Nobody who is not a member can see what goes on in feminist_snark. Everybody has only guesses, based on what they've seen on snark communities before. The idea that members in there are snarking any old post they dislike? Is not unreasonable - that's what snark communities are typically like. As comments in here indicate, others have had the same concern. Her comment? Was petty, but not that unreasonable. Your response? Was a load of bull.

That was the most vicious and pointless mod note I've EVER seen in any community I've belonged to in all my time on lj. "Shut your face," as a response simply because you didn't like what she had to say was sick. I'd be ashamed of myself for getting that out of hand, if I were you.

And? You can take some accountability for triggering this. She's responsible for her own actions, but you are NOT blameless. Hell, if I had gotten that CRAP in my inbox, I would have been tempted, at least, to do what she did, and more.

2) This Big Brother shit is so fucking old. Had she left out the quotes, would she still have been banned? It doesn't say so in the rules, but I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, what she DID post was petty crap entirely unrelated to the rage, wasn't credited, and she had damn good reason to be pissed about it. I'm not really seeing the OMGHORROR, actually. I've done pretty much the same thing over mod decisions, minus the quotes. If I should have been banned for that, well, I take great pleasure in this outcome, then.

Let me be clear on one thing: taking some woman's rage and quoting the contents of it elsewhere would be utterly fucking vile, especially for mocking. Forget a ban - if that's not a TOS violation, it should be.

But that's not really what this was. Regardless of how you made it sound.


On an even more personal note... Generally, I've liked your comments before. Thought you were smart, fairly insightful, and usually reasonable, even if you could get annoying. I've DEFENDED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES when people had shit to say about the things you pull. Ugh. You feel bad about defending dysgr8mystake? She posted her anger about getting an unreasonable mod note here elsewhere. YOU gave that mod note. I mean, I'm done.

So, you know, fuck it. I got anything I might have needed out of this community a long time ago. Thanks for everything, it's been swell.

Please don't bother to respond. I'm not interested.

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[And in response to the, "don't act like hyenas," comment]

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Oh, and one more thing (and this was part of what REALLY upset me):

I wasn't sure what this comment was about. But over in anti_feminism, dysgr8mystake has said that you emailed her saying you were sorry about people "trolling" her journal, and named yakkette, myself, and thelastsplash. I thought at first that was her own extrapolation, but then I realized that you actually NAMING me made this comment make sense. Even if you didn't, you seem to link that comment to this.

So.

I can't speak for yakkette or anybody else, but that was the one and ONLY comment I've ever left in her journal. I was linked there by yakkette, and it all was about older drama - in the case of my comment, ANCIENT drama I was asking to be dropped, albeit testily. It had, you know, NOTHING to do with this community.

I'm honestly sorry if my leaving that one comment was part of the reason she did this (and I'll take that up with her on my own time), but if you'll note, she actually thought my reply was fairly civil, and she asked people to leave me alone. My reply back to her - had I gotten there before I saw all this - would have been completely civil.

So the hyenas thing, please. I've just spent several hours going though feminist communities and saving things, and it's striking just how OFTEN there's problems because you "accidentally misread" something. Maybe you need to work on that.

Completely through now. *dusts hands and leaves*

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That's all, folks.

Off to find something to eat. And dammit, my work uniform still needs to be washed!

Comments

[yakkette.livejournal.com]

I'd love to post a response to this, but only in a locked post. I have some responses, yes I do. In short though, I mostly agree with you - I don't have a problem with feminist_snark but I know it makes people uncomforable because they have no idea what's being talked about in there and it does seem cliquish to outsiders, I'm sure. Hell, it kind of is, which is fine, but I don't really know if it's a place where mods of feminist communities should be posting. I think they'd be better off in feminist_mods complaining and snarking.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Mmm, I'll see if I can distill my issues with this (I had some clearer thoughts about it last night), and I'll filter it to a few people, maybe? I don't think my whole list needs to see it, they'll shoot me at this point. :P

I mean, I never had an issue with feminist_snark myself. I'm a member of enough snark communities (not to mention Fandom Wank) that it's meaningless to me. But other people, I can understand having an issue with it. What was said in fem_rage about it before I left just made me shake my head, because it became obvious just how much it had bothered some people.

And I mean, it's fine that people (especially mods) will explain what the community is actually like (i.e. snarking idiot trolls and whatnot, not genuine posts). But there's always new members to the feminist communities, you know? How are they gonna know that?

I orginally wasn't going to say anything when I left. At first this was just a personal thing, being sort of tired with the strict rules. But then I saw all of it.

I mean, I'm a bit frustrated that I'm alone in my reaction, but I don't blame anyone for sticking with the community. I can get people who are more invested in the [safe] space. My biggest beef is really with how this was handled, and that's a matter of priorities, but I can't back down on that. It really matters to me, being fair (just?), and the whole thing just...wasn't.

Anyway. I'll make that post.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Hi, you're not even there anymore and I didn't notice.

You, I have respect for. I still want to chat with you.

Ages Later...

[armchairshrink.livejournal.com]

I left fem_snark because honestly, I was reading it for the drama and it wasn't good for me. My blood pressure is so much lower.

I love feminism but on el jay it had taken on a solely drama-riffic aspect and I needed to get that away from me. I love snark but it was too much. I was not doing the fem coms (other than feminist_sex, my baby) for the right reasons lately, so I took a big step back.

I'm not online much but I will look up you up to chat when I have the chance.

(frozen) (no subject)

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Sorry about the three comments, but I'm exceeding limits.

So, you know, just in case you want to direct your ire somewhere proper, the part with the > above was sent to me first where she said that you all were harassing her in her own journal and she wants to make sure you both don't attack me?

I was wondering what she was talking about, but it's suddenly coming real clear.

(frozen) (no subject)

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Somewhere proper. Wow. And where would that be, I wonder?

This was intended to what? Clear your name? Good job, nicely done!

Let's add up your accomplishments in the last few days:

-Nasty, incredibly biased mod note to someone whose biggest crime is, apparently, annoying people. Which ultimately triggers her "leaking" that particular thread, although she avoids actually leaking any posts or comments that reflect the nature of the post at that point. -500

-Overdramatic, badly worded mod post on her ban. The ban was, going by the rules, technically necessary, but the "leak" was not ACTUALLY any woman's posted rage. Rather than even NOTE which thread she leaked (and you would know, since you saw the screencaps, hmmm?) you instead decided to tell the community that she'd leaked the contents of a "locked post." The best you did to clear this up was tell someone, "well, they aren't laughing about someone's rape, it's not that bad, it's a thread in a locked post." If you cleared it up further, it was after I left, which was after 124 comments.

Nice job, oh avoider of causing women PAAAAIN. I guess you didn't think it would spare any PAAAAIN to note which thread was linked. I wonder how many women made locked posts in the few days before that? I wonder how many of them had to wonder if it was comments to their post that was leaked, and which ones? -300

-Reply to me after I told you I wasn't interested. Thank god that shit was short, because I don't have patience today. -50

-Tell me to get my own opinions! Oh, that's the richest shit ever. Believe me, I'm known for it. Nice try, though. +10

-Accuse me of lying where I can't tell you you're full of shit. -100

-Post emails to my journal in an ATTEMPT to prove I was lying. Would you like to see what I've got in MY inbox? You're the only one sitting here being snippy about my comment to her, you know.

Hell, I went to take a nap that morning thinking we'd just hash out some old shit, and maybe even lay it to rest, and discovered at four in the afternoon that fem_rage had exploded. I didn't even see it coming.

She and I have always been relatively civil, and the last few things I ever said to her before that comment in her journal were, "I agree, that's a good point." She makes them occasionally. But what I've said to her - before this, or since (which was ALSO civil) - is none of your goddamn business.

Nice of you to wank in her journal, though. Is the thread where you told her she, "really can't even understand the gravity," of her actions, and how "very sad" that is still going? -50

-Hmm. Total score, -990

ANYTHING ELSE? Want to add to the list? For an extra ten points, you can tell the other mod to "shut her face" too, I've deleted her comments from my inbox.


I didn't think you could make yourself look worse than you already did, but I was wrong.

I did you the favour of not mentioning your name. You decided to blow that. Not my issue.

Now SCRAM. You ever show up here trying to pin your shit on me again, and I WILL post screencaps. I don't stand for that.

-Bean

P.S. You might want to talk to thelastsplash about HER trolling of dysgr8mystake's journal though.

Since she's actually a mod of feminist. That lacks a little savoir-faire.

[thelastsplash.livejournal.com]

You got a lot of nerve, I'll give you that much.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

*snorts* Please. You're foursixths, for god's sake.

The last time I agreed with you - about four or five months ago - I quit a fantastic community for helping (albeit unintentionally) to make the space unsafe.

ANYBODY ELSE?

[thelastsplash.livejournal.com]

I have no idea what you are talking about, but you're certainly gotten my attention. Would you care to elaborate on this incident?

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Ah, it was in sex_and_race somewhere, about white members being a pain (no new news there, I gather they still have issues with that).

I was ashamed and frustrated over my comments, and the fact that I'd agreed to your comments (which I realized were problematic), so I left because I couldn't/wasn't ready to resolve it just then, and it wasn't fair to the members there.

Sorry to say, that's my strongest memory of you. Makes it a bit hard to take you seriously; the first thing that comes to mind is me at one of my worst moments agreeing with you when you were mistepping even more.

And then I saw you comment to dysgr8mystake that she was LYING, she'd actually been BANNED, etc.

Although I suppose (I'm thinking out loud now), you went to let her know she was banned as a mod. She would have found out eventually if she'd tried to re-apply, but I guess letting her know immediately is fair.

Posting it publicly was still sort of petty, in my opinion, but whatever. I retract the comment about trolling.

[thelastsplash.livejournal.com]

To quote you:

WHAT THE FUCK? Until you post links, I'll continue to think you're talking out of your goddamn ass.


I talked to dysgr8mystake/katie, and went to her personal lj to do it, because I was personally disappointed in her for the incident itself, and for misleading readers about what happened. You may think you know my relationship with her, but I assure you, you do not. You don't read our aim conversations, and I'm certain you are not psychic. How lovely of you to retract your accusation of me. This may come as a shock to you, but I actually don't care what you think of me.

However, if you could give me more info on the sex_and_race thing you mention, or pull up links, I would love to have a look at it. I know that as a white girl, I can foot-in-mouth during race theory discussions, and if I did something that I didn't learn from, I'd like to know about it.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

I have no interest in your personal relationship with her, but I saw you stirring things up past correcting her. As someone outside your "relationship" I know how it looked. I'm not a mod, so the way I handle blow-ups isn't really important, but I know that thread made a poor impression on me, and contributed to my deciding to leave feminist as well as feminist_rage, although I suppose I would have been banned anyway, from the way this went down. That's my only point here.

I retracted the accusation because it was public, and that's my personal code. That wasn't all for your benefit. I don't care either if we kiss and make up.

I have to go to work, so the link is gonna wait. I don't know if you learned from it or not, but you're welcome to see what made such a lasting impression on me.

Beyond that, though, I'm not continuing with this.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Screencaps of what? I mean, by all means, if you want to show your true colors, please do.

Listen, if you want to direct your vitrol at me,that's fine. I don't particulary care what you think. If you had ever come off as someone who's able to form her own opinion, I might be a little more upset. Unfortunately, this reeks of jockying for position, which you actually more known for. When you said you were leaving, a collective sigh of relief went out, because we wouldn't have to deal with you "wording" people anymore.

You said But over in [info]anti_feminism, [info]dysgr8mystake has said that you emailed her saying you were sorry about people "trolling" her journal, and named [info]yakkette, myself, and [info]thelastsplash.

Where in that email does it call you three names, again?

Listen, you can take swipes at me all day if it makes you feel better. Because I do remember you crying to the mods when it was your posts being torn apart.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

p.s. anti-fem has always had open membership, so it's not like I was trying to OMG HIDE THINGS!

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

p.s.s. Those are gone now because it actually didn't strike me that someone could be lying. But hey, at this point, I wouldn't put it past you.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Please. I was just about to delete them because it fully clicked that you'd aired someone else's mail.

You deleted them because it might all be a conspiracy against you.

Just. keep. going.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

HA HA HA HA!

Wow, you know, I was trying to figure out what was up with you, but now I know.

Gees.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Do tell.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

p.s. I posted those because it never actually crossed my mind that you and Yakkette would lie about someone.

I already emailed dysgr8 and apologized about being sucessfully baited to do it.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Baited to do what? What did I lie about?

Thanks for attempting to mess up the calm relationship I have with the girl. I appreciate having more misunderstandings to undo.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

And of course, "Golly, was all that about *you*? *bats eyelashes*" is completely fooling everyone.

[armchairshrink.livejournal.com]

Seriously, WTF are you talking about?
I didn't LIE about shit. You know me. My shit - it's in the open.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Screencaps of what?

I really can't be arsed to reassure you of the safety of other women's posts from me. I mean, this is from someone who posted private email publicly to my journal.

If you had ever come off as someone who's able to form her own opinion, I might be a little more upset. Unfortunately, this reeks of jockying for position, which you actually more known for. When you said you were leaving, a collective sigh of relief went out, because we wouldn't have to deal with you "wording" people anymore.

You've gotta be kidding me. I don't even remember the last time I said anything in there besides my comments to you, and to woolf's post. Which was the mostly nicely worded disagreement I could put to a comment that was really offensive. (Nicely worded? Oh, maybe because the rules demand SUPPORT?)

Prior to that, it might have been, oh, the time I told someone not to use the phrase, "the race card." And before that, someone who had said something offensive about slavery. And before that, I don't recall, but it's funny, because my impression of my comments in there were that I was constantly disagreeing, to the point where I thought I'd be banned just to keep the strife down. It's why I stopped reading the community very often quite a while ago - I figured I wasn't lending enough support.

Weeks, months, go by between my comments. What position was I jockeying for, exactly? Are you actually admitting to some clique-y bullshit that I thought people outside the community were imagining? Holyyyy.

That, and the major detail here you've got wrong here makes me think that you literally don't even know who I am.

You said But over in [info]anti_feminism, [info]dysgr8mystake has said that you emailed her saying you were sorry about people "trolling" her journal, and named [info]yakkette, myself, and [info]thelastsplash.

I also said this:

I thought at first that was her own extrapolation, but then I realized that you actually NAMING me made this comment make sense. Even if you didn't, you seem to link that comment to this.

I really hate when people selectively quote. It's all UP there, you know.

Because I do remember you crying to the mods when it was your posts being torn apart.

Huh? I never emailed the mods for anything except when I was applying, never made a post to the community, and I don't recall ever saying anything to a mod about my comments in there being torn apart anywhere at all. The most attention I remember my comments in there ever getting was a fun little exchange I had with Yoder in Fandom Wank over them.

I remember bitching in i_dreamed_i_was's journal about the Thread of Doom in feminist, and welsey was there, though.

Anything else is clearly escaping my memory. I mean, in a big way. This is funny! Got any links?

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Wow. What a difference a membership in anti-fem makes.

You want to keep lying? Or post the comment where dysgr8 says I actually DIDN'T call anyone names? Come on, I'm sure that one is pretty good.

You know, it didn't even strike me until now that you and kette could be lying. Did not even cross my mind. I thought that someone actually said what you claimed. Damn.

And please, anyone who denies there being a clique is an asshole. There's not some feminist cabal of superspies, but hello.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Are you going to continue ignoring what I said? I haven't lied yet.

And I found the comment she's referring to ages ago.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

No really, post the comment from anti_fem that specifically says "Jolie didn't name you." and as I actually didn't discover that you were the jerk in her journal (and the foursixts actually told Yakkette to stop bullying dysgr8, so this FOURSIXTHS IS EVIL thing is pretty odd) until this afternoon.

I like that one. It clears things up a bit. A lot, really.

Whooo, drama! See, here I was actaully thinking that you were being straight but I see that you're a snake.

Have fun on the internet. I hope Kette doesn't trust you too deep because you, girl, talk about a two face.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

No really, post the comment from anti_fem that specifically says "Jolie didn't name you."

This whole exchange?

Me:

(she was disturbed by yakkette and beandelphiki and thelastsplash coming over to my journal to troll)

Wait, did she actually NAME us? She thought our comments had to do with this?

Her:

No. She pointed out that she was disturbed by "the people" (i believe she said) who were coming to my journal, and what was going on over there. I believe she was referring to yakkette, probably, and maybe thelastsplash. I retract naming you, you only left one comment (well, two now) and neither of them was harrassment. I don't know why I named you. Probably just that I'd seen you comment in general.

I'm fairly disturbed as well, actually.

Etc.

Or something else? Because that's the only comment I know of that says "Jolie didn't name you." And it hardly matters because as I said above (third, fourth time now):

I thought at first that was her own extrapolation, but then I realized that you actually NAMING me made this comment make sense. Even if you didn't, you seem to link that comment to this.

I hope Kette doesn't trust you too deep because you, girl, talk about a two face.

You go warn yakkette about me, then. I'd personally be curious to know her reaction to the news that I'm a two-faced girl. *grin*

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Uh huh.

Wait, did she actually NAME us? She thought our comments had to do with this?

Her:

No. She pointed out that she was disturbed by "the people" (i believe she said) who were coming to my journal, and what was going on over there.

Wow, it must be interesting in your head, especially since you got to read an email where she told me specifically that people were harassing her. So I comment in general that harassing people is fucked up. And suddenly that translates to...what for you? Everything past that "no" is speculation and nonsense, thanks.

And somewhere, just because you happen to the one she was accusing of harassing her in that email, I am talking massive amounts of shit everywhere I go.

You can bat your eyes and play doe all you like, but you are the eternal cheerleader and most of us know it. Hell, you completely painted it to foursixths up there. Admirably, I might add.

Has it occured to you that I didn't want to give you those caps because you are notorious for attempting to weasel in on drama that's already going on in order to gain points? Or because, lo and behold, you're not a mod and with the smidgeon of knowledge you do have you love to jump to conclusions that you know everything that has ever happened on the internet because you are just so damn important? Or because she told me that someone was harassing her and I wasn't about to send the fucking calvary over there, especially when you have been vocal in your dislike of her where you think people can't see? I'd been warned off you before, it's a damn shame I didn't listen.

Have fun having no idea what you are talking about. Because to steal a line from Yakkette up there, "We're all laughing at you."

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

I've posted pretty much every goddamn thing I claimed to have said, or claimed she said publicly, and if I haven't posted something, I will. It's ALL HERE. The part where she said (or seemed to say) she received an email from you saying you were disturbed by [names] harassing her is there.

I asked her if you had actually named us; she hadn't replied by the time I went to go comment to you, so I went on the presumption that you had, and allowed for the possibility that you hadn't, which is here several times as well:

I thought at first that was her own extrapolation, but then I realized that you actually NAMING me made this comment make sense. Even if you didn't, you seem to link that comment to this.

Your comment to me was:

p.s. I'm not entirely happy about what's been happening to her but it's not a bannable offense.

However, if I'm going to be here calling anti_fem a bunch of hyenas, then I really need people to act in a way that backs me up when I say we are not.

I originally had no idea what the point of that comment was, since I wasn't sure how knowing what had happened magically translated to people charging over there (if it did, fandom_wank would implode!) but see, it made sense when she said that.

Oh, and this:

I'm pretty damn ashamed at the way you went over to her journal and spoke to her.

Like I said, none of your business, since (by her words), it had nothing to do with all of this. And we've talked since then in her journal too, and like I said, that is also none of your business.

You have not yet once denied all that being about my comment to her, not so far as I can see. You denied naming me in the email (well, so does she, so that was pointless), and you insinuated that SHE'D named me (lie), and that seems to be it.

If you were planning to deny the above, you were sure taking your sweet, sweet time about it.

You can bat your eyes and play doe all you like, but you are the eternal cheerleader and most of us know it. Hell, you completely painted it to foursixths up there. Admirably, I might add.

The last thing anybody's ever called me is a cheerleader. Jerk, yeah, that I've been hearing since I found the internet. Cheerleader, no.

I love that I "painted it up" to foursixths/thelastsplash by telling her that my best impression of her is when she was fucking up worse than me at my worst moment. Wow, if that's favourable, I wonder what your idea of rude is.

especially when you have been vocal in your dislike of her where you think people can't see?

I don't greatly dislike he. Don't mix me up with her and yakkette's beef, because I wasn't involved in that. She frustrates the hell out of me sometimes, but I don't hate her guts. If anybody wants me to re-post the things I've said about her, I can do that, too.


I mean really, madamjolie, which is it? Am I like, this huge drama whore? Or a yes-man? Because you'd think the former wouldn't help the latter. But you don't seem able to decide.


But whatever. The way this seemed to have gotten personal without me knowing what the heck was going on - while I was sleeping and everything - really, really pissed me off. I was blindsided. And it's definitely part of why my comments to you have been so angry.

But it's not why I left. I left because (as you can see from my math above), you posted something ugly and utterly unfair, and you ruined my impression that the mods are TRYING to play it fair in that community. I'm not FRIENDS with her, so I can't believe it happened like this, but regardless of our relationship, I won't stand to see someone treated the way you treated her.

Bottom line. And regardless of all this bullshit about how I'm lying - please, you maybe could have proved me wrong somehow, but you sure ain't proved I'm LYING, because I've never done that - everybody can see what a disgusting move you made.

I'm not lying about that, that's for sure. Like I said: I'm sorry I defended you as reasonable to anyone.

Your turn to say buh-bye.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

Please do point out where I cried to the mods, though. That's the part I'm really waiting for.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Come on now, don't be trying to save face. Everyone has gone crying to the mods at some point. You damn well know that you're no different.

Except you were more "HAY GUYZ, WHY AM THEY PICKING ON ME FOR BEING A SHEEP?"

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

WHAT THE FUCK? Until you post links, I'll continue to think you're talking out of your goddamn ass. Because you really seem to be thinking of something specific, and I'd love to know what.

[madamjolie.livejournal.com]

Come come now, you fess up to lying about dysgr8 to cause drama first.

[armchairshrink.livejournal.com]

This whole shit is ridiculous. I can't even figure this shit out.

I am going to spell it out RIGHT HERE and fucking point everyone here so they can see it:

DYSTRA*MAKSE decided I was the goddamn feminist anti-christ over teh racist issue because she's a fucking racist in denial and I called her out on it

She makes REPEATED BAITING POSTS on her el jay, feminist and anti_feminism directed TO ME - SPECIFICALLY TO ME - to which I do not respond but the girl is obsessed and keeps on doing it..

I FINALLY respond and then I'm accused by Jolie of "bullying" her and there's a hyenena comment in there somewhere and frankly, that pisses me off. This holier-than-thou bullshit is just fucking ridiculous. My issue with DSYR*IAMKSTE has nothign to do with either Jolie or beandelphiki - it was between me and her. It had nothign to do with her being banned from feminist_rage. NOTHING. This happened previous. But to hear a friend giving me shit - pseudo-behind-my-back about my treatment of some fucked-in-the-head girl who had nothing better to do than spend her time obsessing about me and picking at me - well yes, that fucking stung, and it as a combination of that and other issues we've had -mostly over "drama" that made me think maybe we're not cut out to converse on a regular basis via teh intrabwebs anymore.

I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about and frankly I don't CARE. I hate dysr8atma,e for totally unrelated reasons to all this (becuase, frankly, she really sucks and likes to pick at me in a way that gets my goat) and I do NOT know why my name keeps being dragged into this bullshit. I mean, bean, I'm HAPPY she's banned. She deserved it. It's like subordinates ban - do I neccessarily agree with how it happened? Not really. but is she a person who shuld've been banned? FUck yes. So I am hardly contesting Jolie's ban.

Also, foursixths just needs to shut the fuck up and stop pretending she's fucking important.

I am now going to send this to the people involved and then ignore El Jay for another two weeks, because I am beyond caring. FUCK.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

'Kay, I don't have time to say anything (if I was going to), 'cuz I have to go to work. But I unbanned everybody. So. People can reply.

*shrug*

[thelastsplash.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you're still an asshole.