Holy sh... Racism drama!
Dec. 13th, 2005 10:47 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beandelphikiWOW. SO MUCH DRAMA in lj-land last night. I didn't get any schoolin' done.
So...people outside of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
feminist have been complaining for ages that the community lets white privilege run unchecked, and that it's exclusionary to women of color. The mods decide to fix this.
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welsey makes a mod post explaining the new rules.
Based on some feedback, here are definitions of racism and sexism as we are using them. We are aware of the dictionary definition; however, we have chosen to use this definition because it is commonly used in anti-racist and social justice communities, and we ask that you also use it while you are in our space. More clarification may be added later:
racism = prejudice + power
sexism = prejudice + power
We separate these things from prejudice because the implications of racism and sexism (as we define them) are so much more significant and powerful than those of prejudice.
[...]
Reverse racism is not a valid concept.
Andfeminist go BOOM.
People disagree, whine, complain, and just generally miss the entire point.
I replied, basically telling the mods pip-pip and good job, and I was sorry they were taking so much crap from the uninformed. I should have realized that would cause a shitload of drama, but didn't really. That also went BOOM.
(Can anybody tell that I have very, very little patience? Yeah. I think I really got off on the wrong foot with the "dingdingding" comment, but really...when someone says that OMG! You're calling all the [white, because that's what I meant] people who disagree with anti-racism rules racist! the snark just tends to come out.)
They're/we're up to 700 comments now. I started replying because I said that I did not want to leave the mods fighting this one alone. I am almost sorry at this point; my inbox is pleading with me to stop, so I'm mostly going to bow out and see how it plays.
Over on journalfen, OTF_Wank is having a real laugh at our expense.
(First comment: "beandelphiki is a moron." I think I also got called a "Feminazi," the logic of which makes my brain hurt. I thought that if I ever got called THAT, it would be for arguing hard-line pro-choice or something, not critical race theory. OKAY!)
More fallout:
blackfolk: Nice try guys, but you still SUCK.
sex_and_race/feminist_rage: See, this is why we're all in HERE, instead of over THERE. (Idiots.)
ap_racism: Okay, nothing yet, but I'm waiting on the "GAAAH!" reaction. SOMEBODY will say something, I'm sure.
*sits and looks at this mess*
You know, I think it's a good thing I will be busy working a lot during Christmas, and staying (for the most part) far away from lj. MY BRAIN.
Edit: Yes, I'm white. Jeebus. (And if you don't know why I added this, don't worry, just ignore.)
So...people outside of
feminist have been complaining for ages that the community lets white privilege run unchecked, and that it's exclusionary to women of color. The mods decide to fix this.welsey makes a mod post explaining the new rules.Based on some feedback, here are definitions of racism and sexism as we are using them. We are aware of the dictionary definition; however, we have chosen to use this definition because it is commonly used in anti-racist and social justice communities, and we ask that you also use it while you are in our space. More clarification may be added later:
racism = prejudice + power
sexism = prejudice + power
We separate these things from prejudice because the implications of racism and sexism (as we define them) are so much more significant and powerful than those of prejudice.
[...]
Reverse racism is not a valid concept.
And
feminist go BOOM.People disagree, whine, complain, and just generally miss the entire point.
I replied, basically telling the mods pip-pip and good job, and I was sorry they were taking so much crap from the uninformed. I should have realized that would cause a shitload of drama, but didn't really. That also went BOOM.
(Can anybody tell that I have very, very little patience? Yeah. I think I really got off on the wrong foot with the "dingdingding" comment, but really...when someone says that OMG! You're calling all the [white, because that's what I meant] people who disagree with anti-racism rules racist! the snark just tends to come out.)
They're/we're up to 700 comments now. I started replying because I said that I did not want to leave the mods fighting this one alone. I am almost sorry at this point; my inbox is pleading with me to stop, so I'm mostly going to bow out and see how it plays.
Over on journalfen, OTF_Wank is having a real laugh at our expense.
(First comment: "
beandelphiki is a moron." I think I also got called a "Feminazi," the logic of which makes my brain hurt. I thought that if I ever got called THAT, it would be for arguing hard-line pro-choice or something, not critical race theory. OKAY!)More fallout:
blackfolk: Nice try guys, but you still SUCK.sex_and_race/feminist_rage: See, this is why we're all in HERE, instead of over THERE. (Idiots.)ap_racism: Okay, nothing yet, but I'm waiting on the "GAAAH!" reaction. SOMEBODY will say something, I'm sure.*sits and looks at this mess*
You know, I think it's a good thing I will be busy working a lot during Christmas, and staying (for the most part) far away from lj. MY BRAIN.
Edit: Yes, I'm white. Jeebus. (And if you don't know why I added this, don't worry, just ignore.)
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BTW
Date: 2005-12-14 03:44 am (UTC)I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE A RACIST OMG :o!111
I'll freely admit I'm racist to varying degrees. And I was raised 'white', even though I look like a wetback (like my Mom says....I guess she's racist too, since...well, look at my icon XD!). I bet they'd love my brutal honesty in that community. XD!
Bet they would!
Date: 2005-12-14 03:48 am (UTC)White + raised in a society stuffed to the gills with white racism = a racist.
So NOT personal. As long as it stays personal, people are gonna be defensive. As long as people are defensive, shit doesn't get done.
It's a mess.
Re: Bet they would!
Date: 2005-12-14 03:51 am (UTC)...Which is why it'd probably be more productive to shop for the holidays than engaging in battle with those of tiny minds.
:D
*is nevertheless, STILL reading because I've been sucked into it*
Re: Bet they would!
Date: 2005-12-14 04:10 am (UTC)And since I can't post there, I...wh...this whole new definition/modified movement to redefine racism has got to be elitest feminist/socio-political, because the definition of racism is thus:
rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
because come on. this shit is getting ridiculous...and it's this kind of manipulation that leads to more evil manipulations like what started the whole political correctness movement in language (chessdev is wrong in the assertion that If the term, as it is being used, cannot be found in a credible dictionary or reference guide -- then it does not magically gain credibility by being practiced by certain groups., because this tactic is what's used by neocons to manipulate The Stupid [i.e., those who voted for Bush thinking that he stood for things that he didn't]...and everything from half-lies to full-on lies become truth in that process).
Damn you for compelling me with your tasty bits of wankery.
Re: Bet they would!
Date: 2005-12-14 04:44 am (UTC)*head tilts* Just so I know where I stand with you in regards to this:
Have you gotten to my comments yet, or is this your expressed disagreement? i.e. Are you disagreeing with ME yet, or no?
Just wanna know when I should start explaining/debating.
(Which is not intended to be combative, but I expected SOMEONE on my friends list would argue with me. So.)
Re: Bet they would!
Date: 2005-12-14 05:09 am (UTC)I'm agreeing to not disagree OR agree, because I don't want to engage in any wanktastic flame warring. I'm just telling you that I do stand by the definition as outlined in those OMG WRITTEN BY WHITE MEN dictionaries in regard to the definition of what racism is, not this socio-political crap being thrown around that racism is strictly bound to the WHITE PATRIARCHY/institutional construct and that the proper term is "prejudice" (i.e., whatever the fuck they were saying about racism /= prejudice).
Plus I've moved on to ranting about personal accountability elsewhere. :D Your thread started to give me a migraine. :|
And I THINK I'm agreeing with you...but if I'm wrong, you can correct me. Just don't engage me...because then I'll have to tell your WHITE OPPRESSIVE ASS TO GO TO HELL YOU RACIST ANTI-FEMINIST!!!1 (:-* Kidding.)